We’re looking forward to introducing you to Josephine Ting. Check out our conversation below.
Good morning Josephine, we’re so happy to have you here with us and we’d love to explore your story and how you think about life and legacy and so much more. So let’s start with a question we often ask: What do you think others are secretly struggling with—but never say?
The question of suffering, how we all struggle with it indeed (yayyyy…..the fun stuff!)
Why do I keep dating the same narcissist in different pants (or skirt, whatever is to your liking)? Why can’t I stop drinking even though I hate myself after? Why do family cycles repeat like some twisted Netflix rerun? Why did I fall in love only to end up heartbroken? Why, why, why?
And the heaviest of all: If God is real, why does He let us suffer? Because if there is suffering, then the conclusion most people come to is simple: either God must be cruel, or He must not be real.
That’s the quiet thought that so many of us carry but never say out loud. And when we don’t have an answer, it sits like a rock in our chest and festers into shame, resentment, or self-sabotage. How we view suffering doesn’t just shape how we see pain—it shapes how we see God, or whether we even believe in Him at all.
I’ve asked God the same question: “Why suffering?” And here’s the answer He gave me—brace yourself, because it’s not sugar-coated:
“Because you chose suffering.”
Ah great, it’s one of those melancholic answers… I know, I know. But let me explain.
We often think, “If God really loved us, He wouldn’t let us suffer.” But here’s the truth: God is not only love. He is also just.
Let me put it this way—can real love exist without freedom? If God didn’t love us, He could’ve made us robots: no sin, no heartbreak, no choices, no TikTok dances (which honestly might not be such a bad thing). But that wouldn’t be love.
It’s precisely because God is love that He gave us freedom. And with freedom comes the ability to choose. With choice comes the possibility of sin. And with sin come consequences.
Love means God doesn’t control our freedom of choice (even when we make bad ones). Justice means God can’t just hit the “erase” button whenever we screw up. If He did, He wouldn’t be just. That’s why in the Old Testament, when Israel obeyed, they flourished. But when they turned to idols, they fell into slavery, exile, and destruction. Those weren’t random disasters—they were the natural result of sin, often passed down through generations.
And it’s not just history—this entire world is broken. Jesus didn’t hide this from us. He said:
“In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” (John 16:33)
So, justice means God allows consequences to unfold. But love means He always provides a way back.
In the Law, He gave sacrifices as a temporary covering. Through the prophets, He kept calling His people home. And finally, through Jesus, He gave us the perfect, permanent way back.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23)
So why is there suffering? Because love gave us freedom. Justice allows consequences. And this world itself is broken.
But here’s the good news: in His love, God entered our suffering through Jesus—not to erase it, but to redeem it. With Him, nothing broken goes to waste.
Can you briefly introduce yourself and share what makes you or your brand unique?
Hi, I’m Josephine Ting. Back when I was first interviewed by Bold Journey, I was still an actress wanting to be the first Chinese to earn an Oscar! Well, Covid hit, the world changed, I got married (and then divorced, such is life), and all that was old became anew indeed! These days I run a marketing agency for holistic health businesses—pioneering holistic health marketing since 2020! But the truth is, I got here because I almost died.
Yup. My body threw me some terrifying, near-death symptoms, and the conventional system basically shrugged at me. “Here, take these pills forever, and maybe don’t Google the side effects.” Super helpful, thanks. Spoiler: it didn’t work.
What did work? My TCM doctor. She actually got me better. And that’s when it hit me: there are practitioners out there who can really help people—beyond prescriptions and quick fixes—but most of them are completely unknown. Invisible. Drowned out by Big Pharma ads and Overwhelmed by the constant algorithm changes on social media.
So now, that’s my mission. I help these practitioners get seen. My team and I do the overly complicated digital work—branding, websites, social media—so they can focus on saving lives instead of fighting with Canva templates. Since 2020, we’ve helped everyone from fertility docs to acupuncturists to integrative clinics grow their reach and actually connect with the people desperate for their care.
To me, marketing isn’t about vanity metrics or looking cute online. It’s about building a bridge between the healers who can actually make a difference, and the people praying for answers. That’s what gets me out of bed (well, that and chicken broth in the morning).
Who knew I was going to use my marketing and Traditional Chinese Medicine background after all?
Appreciate your sharing that. Let’s talk about your life, growing up and some of topics and learnings around that. What part of you has served its purpose and must now be released?
The part of me that insists on being “safe” all the time. You know—the little girl in me who hated the unknown, wanted control of everything, and basically walked through life with a fire extinguisher in one hand and a backup plan in the other. That part of me came from surviving abuse at a young age. She thought if she could just stay hyper-vigilant, maybe she wouldn’t get hurt again. And truthfully, she served me well. She kept me alive. She got me through some dark, scary chapters.
But here’s the thing—being safe is also…boring. Life is not meant to be bubble-wrapped. If this whole human thing is just an experience, then I’d rather experience it fully than sit on the sidelines clipping coupons for safety. Live like there is no tomorrow, right?
So now, that little girl doesn’t have to be on guard anymore. She’s not fired, she’s not dismissed—she just finally gets to rest. She gets to run off and play on the playground with Jesus by her side, giggling on the swings, without carrying the crushing responsibility of protecting me. She doesn’t have to watch every shadow anymore.
Because I know now—I don’t need control to be safe. God is my safety. He is with me in the unknown, and that’s where all the adventure begins.
So here’s to releasing safety, releasing control, and embracing the wild ride. Helmet optional.
What have been the defining wounds of your life—and how have you healed them?
Getting divorced. Hands down.
Now, before you imagine me throwing plates or dramatically torching my ex’s things—let me explain.
Growing up in a broken family, my biggest dream was to not repeat that cycle. I wanted the fairy tale. The “happy family” I never had. So much so that when my marriage came along, I gave up everything—my acting career right at the edge of a Hollywood breakthrough, a film deal abroad, my Oscar dream. I traded all that in to be a stay-at-home wife, fully supporting my then-partner so he could thrive. My logic was: once we’re rich, everything will be fine, and then I’ll finally get to pursue my dreams again.
Plot twist: we got rich (well, he got rich), and then—cue my worst nightmare—our marriage ended. Just like that storyline in The Wolf of Wall Street where the supportive housewife gets left out once the money rolls in. That movie used to make my skin crawl, because deep down, I feared I’d be her. And then, I was.
But here’s the shocking part: that crash-and-burn was the BEST thing that ever happened to me.
Because losing everything stripped me down to the core. It forced me to confront fantasy versus reality. It left me with nothing but Jesus—and then I realized, He was all I ever truly needed.
I got to love fully, wholeheartedly, without holding back, so I walk away with no regrets. I got to experience being reborn in Christ’s grace, and let me tell you, life with Him is infinitely better than anything I could’ve scripted for myself. I learned God’s character in a way no sermons could’ve taught me—how to lean on Him, trust Him, and let Him take control. And wow…there’s so much freedom in that surrender.
I also had to let go of my attachment to “marriage as the ultimate dream.” That fantasy was really just my childhood trauma trying to self-correct. God showed me that life with Him has a million other ways to be more amazing than I ever imagined.
Through the pain, I learned forgiveness—letting go of my sense of human justice and trusting God to handle it all. I learned that suffering isn’t the end of the story. With Him, even the ugliest heartbreak gets redeemed.
And more than that, I’ve come to a realization down to my soul, carved into the knowing of my spirit: life here on earth was never meant to be anything but an experience. Home is not here. Eternity is not here. There is more beyond.
I was chained down by so much—the chain of wanting to be loved, be worthy, be successful, build a home, avoid pain, avoid fear, avoid not being safe. All of it? Meaningless. Empty smoke. Like Ecclesiastes. Having experienced and seen the truth of what millions of wise men have discovered throughout history, I know now: none of this really matters. The pain, the suffering, all of it. It’s just an experience. Attaching to any of it too much leads only to emptiness.
Many people reach this realization through physical near-death experiences. They start traveling, forgiving, becoming kinder, caring less about the small things. I feel the same way.
I’m grateful I learned this early—that my attachment to this world was shattered and re-formed—because now, I am truly free.
Now, I run my own remote business with my own team (with God as my CEO), a full and growing roster of clients, and a new adventure on the horizon—with Jesus by my side.
And here’s what I’ve come to realize:
None of my dreams were lost.
They were simply returned to me—redeemed, reshaped, and more beautiful than before.
I still get to go on adventures.
I still get to taste the freedom of the world.
I still get to build something from scratch and live with deep purposes.
Only now—I do it all WITH HIM.
And what else, but experiencing the undeniable, extraordinary love of God, makes life worth living?
Sure, so let’s go deeper into your values and how you think. Whom do you admire for their character, not their power?
Jesus. Absolutely.
Now before we jump into any debate on whether or not He was real, yada, yada, I encourage you to ask Wes Huff this question because he’s the historian with empirical evidence. Let’s dive into the point here…
Here’s the thing—power corrupts. Always has, always will. Every empire, every dynasty, every religious order, every king, queen, pharaoh, emperor—same story. Someone climbs into power, abuses it, falls, system collapses, someone else rebuilds, rinse, repeat. Human history is basically the world’s longest broken record.
Then comes Jesus.
He is God. He holds all power—cosmic, eternal, unshakable. And what does He do with it? He lays it down. He doesn’t grasp at it. He doesn’t wield it to dominate. He willingly becomes a man, feels hunger, exhaustion, betrayal, and humiliation—and then dies the most shameful death of His time. For us. For people who mocked Him, rejected Him, didn’t even want Him. Like…what?? Who does that??
And when you scan history, you don’t find anyone like Him. Sure, there are figures who sacrificed greatly—martyrs who died for their faith, prophets who stood against kings, revolutionaries who gave up their lives for freedom. You have Socrates, who drank poison for philosophy. You have Gandhi, who laid his life down in nonviolent resistance. You have countless soldiers who sacrificed themselves for their people. But all of them had no absolute power to begin with. Their sacrifices came from the of inevitable end of those who were born into weakness, from using death to speak the loudest amidst oppression.
What you don’t find—anywhere in religious or world history—is someone who already had infinite power and authority, and voluntarily stepped into weakness, rejection, and execution by choice.
That’s the paradox of Jesus. Power didn’t corrupt Him, for He was humble and purposeful. He didn’t cling to the throne. He traded it for a cross, a cross so that He can wash our sins away with His sacrifice. So that we, can forever be with the Father, permanently through Him.
And that’s why He’s the one I admire—not because He’s powerful (though He is), but because of His character. His love. His humility. His choice.
Show me another god, king, prophet, or ruler in history who had everything and gave it all up to die for His enemies. I’ll wait.
Okay, we’ve made it essentially to the end. One last question before you go. If you laid down your name, role, and possessions—what would remain?
Just a happy little floating soul that’s waiting for Jesus to come pick her up! FREEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!
Contact Info:
- Website: https://www.josephineting.com
- Instagram: @josephinetingstrategy
